We started out on pioneer at the creek, the creek is awesome. Saw some gold finches playing in the creek. The trail was nice and clear. The only thing that we couldn't figure out was what trail to take for the full 2.40 round trip nothing was marked. So we just turned around cause I see if we would of kept going straight it would of taken us to a different end spot not where we started. But overall it was a nice hike.