Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife and Department of Natural Resources are looking for your feedback on e-bikes on their land.
There are all kinds of ways to enjoy trails: walking, running, biking — the list is limitless. We know that all kinds of people get out on trail, and there are many ways to do so. Including e-bikes.
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) and Department of Natural Resources (DNR) are gathering feedback on the use of electric-assisted bicycles (e-bikes) on non-motorized, multi-use natural surface trails already open to mountain bikes and closed roads open to non-motorized recreation. Now is your time to share your thoughts about e-bikes through their survey.
This is a non-motorized, multi-use natural surface trail at Grand Ridge Park — the kind of trail e-bikes could be on if a change in policy is made. Photo by kidzwonthike.
What’s an e-bike?
Electric-assisted bicycles (e-bikes) are equipped with an electric motor that assists with or replaces pedaling. They are increasingly popular as a mode of transportation for commuting and recreating.
E-bikes have two or three wheels, pedals and an electric motor.
There are three classes of e-bikes:
- Class 1: A bicycle with a motor that assists only when the rider pedals and stops assisting when the bicycle reaches 20 miles per hour.
- Class 2: A bicycle with a motor that may be used exclusively to propel the bicycle, and that stops assisting when the bicycle reaches 20 miles per hour.
- Class 3: A bicycle with a motor that assists only when the rider pedals, stops assisting when the bicycle reaches 28 miles per hour and is equipped with a speedometer.
A bit of history
In 2021, the Washington Legislature passed a bill (SB 5452) that directed DNR and WDFW to lead a public engagement process to help decide what types of e-bikes will be allowed on state lands, and where they’ll be allowed.
Currently, the agencies allow e-bikes on motorized trails and forest roads open to motorized use. Individuals with an ADA parking placard can use class 1 or 2 e-bikes on non-motorized trails and roads where non-motorized bicycles are already allowed.
WDFW and DNR are gathering feedback to help develop a set of recommendations for future e-bike rules. They have held many listening sessions, some of which WTA participated in to represent the needs of hikers. Now the next step is this survey to hear from recreators like you!
What WTA thinks
WTA believes that everyone should be able to enjoy the benefits of the outdoors, and we support opportunities that create increased access. We know that e-bikes can help us achieve this mission by facilitating a more inclusive outdoor experience for people of all abilities.
We believe that decisions regarding class 1 e-bike use, which is the class most similar to traditional mountain bikes, should be made on a trail-by-trail basis. We don’t think there should be a blanket policy that covers all non-motorized, multi-use natural surface trails. While one trail may be suitable for a class 1 e-bike, another trail may not. WTA believes that class 2 and 3 e-bikes should not be allowed on non-motorized, natural surface trails.
WTA believes policies must be developed with consideration to the environmental and social impacts that a new use may have on a trail. Any policy developed around e-bikes should be clear to users about where e-bikes are allowed and not allowed through education and signage. Before any agency decisions are made, the public should be engaged and asked for their input.
Recently, we asked folks from our Instagram how they felt about class 1 e-bikes. The feedback we received spanned the spectrum of responses. From hikers who are comfortable sharing a trail with an e-bike to hikers who would prefer not to.
Some trails may be better suited than others for e-bikes, while other trails may not be. Considering safety for all users is necessary for a positive trail experience as well.
Now is your chance to let DNR and WDFW know how you feel about e-bikes.
What do you think?
WDFW and WDNR have a survey open now asking for your input on e-bikes.
Comments
route246 on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
I may be in the minority as a no bikes (of any kind unless for official use) advocate. Many of the trails that I’ve trekked are far too narrow and filled with blind corners for hikers and bikers to coexist - let alone the new fangled e-bikes.
Due to health issues, it looks as though I can no longer enjoy the trails but would love to protect them for future hikers to enjoy. I served on the Student Conservation Association to restore trails in the Alpine Lakes Wilderness. It was one of the toughest jobs I loved. Smiles on hikers’ faces kept us going - not bicycle (motorised or not) tyres tearing the trail back up. I’ve always maintained that for bicycles to share the trails, the trails has to be at least 6 feet wide and no blind corners. If there are blind corners, bikers must dismount. You can imagine the amount of eye-rolling and scoffs I get when I pull that card out of my pocket. But it’s for the safety and enjoyment by hikers who are the least impactful. Bicycles (motorised or not) are not necessary to enjoy trails. There is ONE exception for motorised apparatus on trails - motorised wheelchairs designed for the outdoors. I would love to see them come to market for those who had to stay home all these years because of their disability.
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route246 on Jul 06, 2022 05:37 PM
Chuck Nordhoff on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
" . . . e-bikes can help us achieve this mission by facilitating a more inclusive outdoor experience for people of all abilities. . . . "
This line seems to imply that the purpose of e-bikes is to help people with physical disabilities enjoy the outdoors. Is that really true? Or are you equating "physically disabled" with "not physically fit enough to go up a big hill"? If so, then maybe trails should be modified to be more inclusive of out-of-shape walkers, too (I'm joking).
In my limited experience, e-bike and e-scooter riders are fully-abled people who want a push. I don't see why e-bikes should be granted special privileges to go where other bikes aren't already allowed.
Only some trails are suitable for stock, motor-bikes, ATVs, and mountain-bikes; due to their physical characteristics, some (most?) trails are suitable only for hikers. Sure, e-bikes have a place in the woods, but not on trails that are designed solely for foot-traffic.
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Chuck Nordhoff on Jul 06, 2022 09:31 PM
Lisa Elliott on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
I believe safety should come first over access in this case. Most trails are not wide enough for passing hikers, let alone bikes and hikers. When access is addressed, in general allowing access means creating an equal starting point and maintaining equity for people wanting to participate, such as a wide enough path with roots removed to access in a wheelchair. On the contrary it does not mean being able to get their faster than someone on two feet. I am not really for any motorized bikes, if it means many people buzzing up the trail. I believe public land managers should have flexibility to determine trail by trail the feasibility and use.
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Lisa Elliott on Jul 07, 2022 07:36 AM
Ranger Gwen on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
An eBike is a motorized vehicle, therefore it should not be allowed on non-motorizrd trails. If it must be allowed on non-motorized trails, then only trails where bikes are allowed. Under no circumstances should an eBike be allowed on hiker only (or hiker and horse) trails. The trails weren't built to sustain that kind of use and we can't keep up with maintenance as it is, let alone rebuilt trails to accommodate eBikes.
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GwenT on Jul 07, 2022 09:53 AM
Ranger Gwen on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
Adding that eBike usage on roads closed to motorized vehicles would be acceptable. Closed roads are not maintained for vehicular traffic; often the closure is related to a failure in the road (washed out culvert, road wasout, failing bridge or footings - almost all relating to erosion of some form or another) that makes it unsafe for passage in a car or truck (weight plays a part here) while it is generally more safe for hiker or bike traffic. The road bed is generally wide enough to avoid hiker/biker conflict and there generally isn't a human density issue where hordes of people are out hiking (or even biking) closed FS roads.
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GwenT on Jul 07, 2022 10:02 AM
fletcher4hwang on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
I think e-bikes should be allowed on trails that already allow dirt bikes. Green Mountain and Rock Candy Mountains come to mind. Should be a case by case basis. Are there any stats on safety? We were hiking Rock Candy last week and we ran into 3 dirt bikers. While two of them stopped and let us go by the other guy barely slowed down. Most e-bikes riders on the rails to trails ride responsibly however you do get your speeders, but that's regular cyclist too, some guys ride like they are on the Tour de France. Speed enforcement and safety of all should be taken into consideration.
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fletcher4hwang on Jul 07, 2022 10:03 AM
Hikeabike on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
As an avid mountain biker, we are already seeing ebikes everywhere, legal or not. Marketing for them seems to be 'get more runs in, faster', as opposed to the older/disabled access card that is played in these discussions. It is disturbing that WTA would in any way support motorized use of nonmotorized trails.
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Hikeabike on Jul 07, 2022 03:37 PM
Divotspal on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
I feel no Motor vehicles on the trail unless official. Even electric ones. Trails are sometimes narrow and hard to manage even hikers and horses. There are areas for electric bikes.
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Divotspal on Jul 07, 2022 04:29 PM
Divotspal on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
I feel no Motor vehicles on the trail unless official. Even electric ones. Trails are sometimes narrow and hard to manage even hikers and horses. There are areas for electric bikes.
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Divotspal on Jul 07, 2022 04:29 PM
zzoe on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
I think allowing an ebike (electric bike not gas fueled) onto trails opens up opportunities for people who are not as fit or able to enjoy the trails otherwise. It is safe for the environment and the trails that currently allow bicycles should be available for ebikes. Additionally, if the current trails allow it, it would be great to expand the surface to be paved for an ebike. I am not referring to trails that don’t already lend itself to that kind of riding, but there are many trails that currently exclude cycling and ebikes which would be easily accessible and lend itself to riding not simply hiking. Please consider people who also want to enjoy the outdoors off the beaten path who currently can’t navigate it independently without some mobility help.
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zzoe on Jul 07, 2022 05:34 PM
BethS on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
You have to be pretty fit to ride an e-bike. You have to keep your balance, steer and rise up off the seat frequently when the way is rough, so basically, people who could hike. I do think that teens and physically fit young people will be the most common riders of e-bikes on trails, and mostly for the thrill. I also think e-bikes will scare wildlife. I think e-bikes should run on motorized use trails only. Hiking is supposed to be pleasant and peaceful, not filled with fast-moving bikes to continually watch out for. Already most trails are over-used and in need of trail work, Please don't make this a bigger problem for hikers. There are many, many roads and motorized trails, many which go through beautiful wilderness. Let them ride there.
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BethS on Jul 07, 2022 08:31 PM
traildoggie on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
ebikes are motorized vehicles. they should not be allowed on non motorized trails.
ebikes go faster than a physically powered bike. higher speed is a safety factor. mountain bikes don't belong on every trail as horses and hikers either.
ebikes are much harder on soft surfaces. they're a safety hazard overtaking and passing hikers and non motorized bikers. motorized and non motorized should be separate. it takes work to stay fit to ride/hike trails, don't cheapen our experience by making it an easy cheat for people who want a short cut.
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traildoggie on Jul 08, 2022 01:24 PM
cillman on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
From what I've observed in the Anacortes Community Forest Lands, they disturb the trail surface when adding power to climb hills, thus accelerating erosion. I'm not sure how much the outdoors is appreciated at 15 or more mph.
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cillman on Jul 08, 2022 04:26 PM
blackbird508 on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
18 months ago I was hit by an ebike and my elbow was shattered from the fall. Multiple surgeries and months of therapy. I never heard the bike coming. The guy on the bike had no insurance. Explain how mixing pedestrians and ebikes on the same route is a good thing, but my experience says otherwise.
Go hike mixed trails where motorcycles and hikers share the same trail such as Taneum. The trails are torn up, and there is 10x the amount of trash as hiker only trails.
Ebikes are not electric bicycles. They are electric motor cycles and should be restricted as such. Owners should be required to have a motorcycle license and follow all motorcycle rules and regulations.
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blackbird508 on Jul 09, 2022 09:51 AM
pula58 on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
Enough is enough. Where will be go for peace and quiet? We need to preserve places where people can talk a walk, in peace, without worrying about being hit by a fast moving object (e-bike). People walk at ~ 2-3 MPH, having a bike wiz by at 20MPH - no thank you. Keep the e-bikes out.
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pula58 on Jul 09, 2022 01:13 PM
flysoftware on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
Ebikes are an accomodation that allows older citizens to still enjoy the trails that would otherwise not be available to them. This group is unlikely to be found on steep mountain bike trails, but can enjoy fire roads and less demanding trails that others don't use, preferring more challenges. The differences between classes are often rather arbitrary, perhaps the real issue is rather the speed limits which bikes should be expected to live within (20mph is more than reasonable here).
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flysoftware on Jul 09, 2022 08:21 PM
FargoMary on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
Add me to the no bikes at all gang. So many trails are so narrow and there just isn't room for that type of situation. It isn't good when you have hikers and bikes going at much different speeds and trying to use the same narrow space.
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FargoMary on Jul 10, 2022 11:00 AM
Shawna69 on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
I do not like the idea of E-bikes on trails, as very few of them are wider than 3-4' and certainly not wide enough for an E-bike (or any bike) and a person on foot. I can only imagine how terrible it would be when a horse might panic at the sight/sound of an E-bike. Additionally, knowing how crappy people are when they're told to dismount to allow a horse to pass (or if a biker comes up on a blind corner), I'd say E-bikes belong in the urban environment please. I'd prefer to listen to sounds of nature versus the motor of an E-bike.
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zairisfrog@gmail.com on Jul 11, 2022 01:03 AM
plainperson on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
Seems people are bit confused. The survey is asking for feedback on:
"multi-use natural surface trails ALREADY open to mountain bikes"
OR
"closed roads open to non-motorized recreation."
(Fire roads essentially, that many mountain bikers already use to climb today)
So this survey DOESN'T apply to hiking-only trails like the Alpine Lakes Wilderness. Or whatever your local single-use hiking spot is...
For those worrying about speed or space. An EMTB is the same width as a normal MTB, which again is already allowed on surface trails. An access road is wide enough for a vehicle, so plenty of space for multiple user groups.
As far as speed, a normal horse, (also allowed on these multi-use trails) can gallop at an average of 25 to 30 mph.
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plainperson on Jul 11, 2022 04:19 PM
WildWest on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
I think that class 1 e-bikes should be allowed where ever mountain bikes are allowed. I'm not disabled but, I have some breathing issues that aren't fitness related. With an e-bike I climb at the same pace as my riding buddies. Class 1 e-bikes don't impact the trail any more than a standard mtb and far less than horses. I helps keep older people, who would have stopped, out riding.
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WildWest on Jul 11, 2022 04:24 PM
Washington Trails Association on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
Thank you all for the feedback. Your thoughts are important for the process that the Washington Department of Natural Resources and Department of Fish and Wildlife is leading. Please make sure to put your thoughts in the survey so they can inform the final decision by the agencies. Thank you! https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/7RBC86B
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Washington Trails Association on Jul 12, 2022 09:23 AM
Chuck Nordhoff on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
I responded to the survey, but this unstructured forum gives a better way to convey my thoughts than the very narrow survey questions. I hope that the DNR incorporates all of the comments here into their process.
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Chuck Nordhoff on Jul 12, 2022 12:27 PM
Wesley Clarillos on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
Who cares if e bikes are on the trail. Stop being a crumudgeon, stop being the problem that makes it so annoying to get out on the trails. Energy vampires. Do yourself a favor and get a e bike and you will have more fun and better things to do than complain about how fast we go and how covertly jealous you are. - Wesley Clarillos
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Wesley Clarillos on Jul 12, 2022 04:50 PM
gmyrick49 on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
This discussion seems a little on the hypocritical side, in that many think only of their interest and aren't willing to accept a new technology. For sixty-five plus years I have been a hiker, backpacker, down-hill skier, cross country skier, back country skier, mountain climber and trekker. But I am now seventy-three years old and can not do what I used to. In the last ten years I have had numerous surgeries that have kept me from doing the hiking/biking I would have liked to do. But a cheapo E-Bike allowed me to get back on the trail and strengthen until I could get back on my mountain bike.
I feel it is not fair to punish the 95% of the responsible E-Bike riders for the 5% of the irresponsible riders. I would prepose any bike that requires peddling, and no throttle, should be allowed on trails that allow regular bikes. Lumping E-Bikes in with loud, smelly gas bikes is not fair. EVERY sport needs a place to play, whether you participate in them or not.
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gmyrick49 on Jul 12, 2022 11:14 PM
mtbikemark on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
Sometimes e-bikes are ridden by more inexperienced riders who don't have full control of the bike. This combined with the higher speed has led to some poor encounters of mine. Since I ride a regular mountain bike I have also had some close calls with hikers and horses. It seems like a trail once approved for mountain bikes will eventually get taken over by them. But, there are almost no trails that are mountain bike only, and 99 percent of trails are hiker only. My solution, add a new designation to trails for hiker, horse, bike, class 1, class 2, class 3 plus gas power.
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mtbikemark on Jul 13, 2022 10:56 AM
Old John on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
1. E-bikes, or any other bikes, are not appropriate on hiking trails.
2. There are hundreds of miles of gated or closed roads in the Washington that would be ideal for e-biking.
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Old John on Jul 15, 2022 04:58 PM
R Cantu Weber on Share Your Thoughts on E-Bikes on Trails
With respect, I do not want ebikes on walking trails. They may be allowed on trails that allow dirt bikes. An eBike is a motorized vehicle, therefore it is in appropriate and should NOT be allowed on trails as it is incompatible with walkers, runners, and people-powered bikes. Again, with respect, I understand the desire to be equitable, but honestly there are places where not all of us can or should go. This includes myself. There is an ethical reason to protect our remaining wild lands form being "loved too death." Please no ebikes except on paved streets.
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R Cantu Weber on Jul 22, 2022 09:45 AM